Well, I say "proper" stuck is when it is actually something meant to be puzzling and dificult yet reasonable that gets you stuck.
If a level is too hard, I will admit defeat.
If a puzzle in zelda is too hard, then I am stuck "properly".
If I am stuck for 4 hours in Sukiden 4 because I haven't taken part in a random sequence of events that has nothing to do with what I am doing, nor is it hinted at during any time that I am to go to some obscure island for no reason, then I get pissed. I hate getting THAT kind of stuck, which is not the proper kind of stuck at all.
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