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Old 11-08-2008, 05:39 AM   #11 (permalink)
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But the chances are, people coming out of the schools aren't going to be the next Einstein, and will probably need these facts in whatever job they go on to do.


Unless they actually become a scientist. Then its all useless.
I kinda agree, and at the same time i don't. I think there needs to be a new plan , over the course of like 3 years, get education, rolling with momentum. Sudden changes don't work, teachers can't get used to it that fast. Knowing facts is good for certain jobs, but knowing and understanding and developing your own skills within makes you go further.
With that said, there are just too many children and we have to get them through the system, at least through HS. After that, they can do whatever they want, they are of age at that point.

The difference for me between hs and college was too great a difference, while, in hs, we did lots of memorizing, luckily i was in research program so i got to do some thinking at a local hospital with real doctors, but it was barely anything then when i went to college and did engineering, it was like, *smack*. everything is do or die. Then again i went to one of the hardest, but that difference, man, it isn't right. Thats why when i have a kid, im teaching him calculus in junior high school. There is no way, he getting to college without knowing at least the basic basic of it. Even if the kid does liberal arts, he'll be able to do some math when push comes to shove. . If he rebels against me. oh well, i tried right? lol.

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Old 11-08-2008, 10:57 AM   #12 (permalink)
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This is a hard question to answer Corny. I'm homeschooled, so maybe my apion shouldn't count. My mom's a good teacher, but I'm glad I'm homeshooled because I'm not to smart acdemicly. I'd get killed in public school because noone would be able to take extra time with me to explain things.
But back to the subject at hand, my fingers. j/k.
Corny, the world isn't perfect, and it really never's going to be. The law says that (at least in some states) a teacher can teach whatever, and however they want. However the school might not ask them to come back if they do. People don't like to questioned, and they do whatever they can to keep it that way.
The theory that mice came from sweaty rags was seen as scinetifec fact for a thousand years, and anyone who said otherwise was not looked on kindly. Same as the idea of the sun revovling around the earth. People like to be the center of attenion, not to mention the universe. The point is, we don't tell them to question because we like to be safe in a little world of sertentys. If some blew that, we might not like it.
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Old 11-08-2008, 01:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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This is a hard question to answer Corny. I'm homeschooled, so maybe my apion shouldn't count. My mom's a good teacher, but I'm glad I'm homeshooled because I'm not to smart acdemicly. I'd get killed in public school because noone would be able to take extra time with me to explain things.
But back to the subject at hand, my fingers. j/k.
Corny, the world isn't perfect, and it really never's going to be. The law says that (at least in some states) a teacher can teach whatever, and however they want. However the school might not ask them to come back if they do. People don't like to questioned, and they do whatever they can to keep it that way.
The theory that mice came from sweaty rags was seen as scinetifec fact for a thousand years, and anyone who said otherwise was not looked on kindly. Same as the idea of the sun revovling around the earth. People like to be the center of attenion, not to mention the universe. The point is, we don't tell them to question because we like to be safe in a little world of sertentys. If some blew that, we might not like it.
I have no right to tell you that your opinion doesn't count, SH. I don't pretend that I do.

And you strengthened my point by defending the fact that "it's okay to be different as long as you do what everyone deems normal".

That's what I'm trying to get across. People need to suck up their pride a little and just go out on a wing every now and then.

There are countless examples in history when popular belief has been incorrect. How were they solved? Someone, regardless of popular opinion, challenged what was accepted. Like you said, people believed in spontaneous generation (maggots appeared in rotting meat, and no one knew why), the Earth revolving, and even the ether that light was believed to travel through in Einstein's time.

I'm not saying we should challenge EVERYTHING, but at least be open-minded about the future.
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That is why I never finished HS. I was smarter than most other kids in their senior year when I was a freshmen so I didn't really have to stay longer ( I also don't find projects/presentations/speeches all that helpful to my learning). All they would do would stuff facts at me and hope I memorized them. That's not how my mind works. Most of the stuff I learned in HS was things that interested me in class, so I would learn about them on my free time.

Everyone learns differently and I think it's about time schools realize this. Otherwise the only kids that will learn will be the ones that are born with a mind that learns the way they teach. That would leave a lot of kids in the dark.
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That is why I never finished HS. I was smarter than most other kids in their senior year when I was a freshmen so I didn't really have to stay longer ( I also don't find projects/presentations/speeches all that helpful to my learning). All they would do would stuff facts at me and hope I memorized them. That's not how my mind works. Most of the stuff I learned in HS was things that interested me in class, so I would learn about them on my free time.

Everyone learns differently and I think it's about time schools realize this. Otherwise the only kids that will learn will be the ones that are born with a mind that learns the way they teach. That would leave a lot of kids in the dark.
Very Very, good point. Its important to address the issue of how people learn. Because their are multiple ways. For example, visually, oratory, and writing. By hands on experience, by theoretical conversation. Very important to learn your best method and stick with it.
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Not school uniforms.

Uniform standards. For instance: one person believes that it is okay to teach people evolution in school. Another believes it isn't. The more prominent person wins, and evolution is not taught in school. Therefore, the student doesn't learn the other theories behind how we got here.

Uniform standards are just a way of controlling what we think, not dress.

I was being way sarcastic.

I do support some of the intrinsic principles of it, but I am by no means agreeing that it is better than our current system.
Evolution is taught in schools. You have it completely backwards. Evolution won out, and Christianity is not taught in schools. Well, public schools.
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Evolution is taught in schools. You have it completely backwards. Evolution won out, and Christianity is not taught in schools. Well, public schools.
I think that the reason for that is so that they don't seem to be favouring one religion, seeing as today's society is supposed to be multicultural and accepting of differences. However, I think that it would be more fair if they emphasised the fact that evolution is a theory, so that it doesn't seem like they're teaching it as a fact.
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it would be more fair if they emphasised the fact that evolution is a theory, so that it doesn't seem like they're teaching it as a fact.
i agree 100% the teacherds act as if this is set ins tone and we know it. well the fact is we dont. and i jsut wish they would talk about the flaws as well. my school and maybe yours too tends to have a biased (liberal) agenda they follow. one of my teachers, my math teacher. he is a republican and is currently fighting the administartion because at our last pep asembly they picked fun at McCain, making fun of his arms and such. and diddnt make fun of obama at all, but they got teachers and kids to dress up as mccain/bush and there wifes and sarah palin. and jsut tore them apart and diddnt mention one word about obama. and they said in one skit "my name is john McCain im the crabby white guy who walks like frankenstein" so my teacher is raising "heck" but im off topic now.

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Evolution is taught in schools. You have it completely backwards. Evolution won out, and Christianity is not taught in schools. Well, public schools.
yeah, im in public schools and i gotta learn that garbage cuz my parents dont got the money to send my to private schools, and they dont have the time to home school me anymore. oh well i memorize it, then forget it.

im not saying we shouldnt learn about evolution but we should emphize its un-credibility
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I think that the reason for that is so that they don't seem to be favouring one religion, seeing as today's society is supposed to be multicultural and accepting of differences. However, I think that it would be more fair if they emphasised the fact that evolution is a theory, so that it doesn't seem like they're teaching it as a fact.
Then why is Islam taught in public schools? Perhaps not all, but quite a few. I think it's only in California, but I'm not sure.

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Yeah, it's called discrimantion. They say creation is stupid and makes no sence, but the biggest evolutionist in the world thinks that we may have come from alien's that came and desinded us. So maybe we were created, just not by God. Hmmm.
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