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Old 11-14-2008, 09:25 AM   #41 (permalink)
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You people are so far from the point I might have to mail you this update.

A child of eight years old is emotionally and mentally incapable of understanding the full scope of what it means to kill someone. He clearly had no idea what he was doing, and therefore cannot be held (fully) responsible for the action as an adult would be. Now, Im not saying he is entirely innocent. While I find it hard to believe a child of eight years old is capable of evil as such, I do believe that this child could be a danger to those around him. Trauma from this event could cause him to grow into a Psychopath/Sociopath, and as such he should be not killed, but admitted to a mental health hospital where he can be evaluated by doctors to decide whether it is safe to release him to his mother.

Put simply, while the child cannot be evil because he cannot understand how wrong killing is, he can still be dangerous to others around him because this event may prevent him from understanding the ethical and moral implications of killing someone.

The reason we punish people is to stop them from comitting a crime again. For an adult, this means threatening them with jail to prevent them from breaking the law. For a murderer, this would sometimes mean killing them because it is too risky to send them back into public.

However, this person is a very young and thus, impressionable child. Clearly he has psychiatric problems if he is willing to kill his own father, however the reason he did it can only be because he didn't fully understand how wrong the act was. Therefore, the best course of actions is simply to make sure he doesn't repeat the crime. Killing him will accomplish this, but it is never alright to kill someone when there is an alternative. He should be admitted to a mental hospital and evaluated there, not killed.

EDIT: And the next time I hear someone claiming to be Christian to say "An Eye for an Eye" I will slap them across the face and tell them to get educated. The law of Moses was a set of laws that the Israelites used for a time, but the Bible teaches that this was replaced with a higher law at the coming of Christ. This is why modern christians don't follow the typical Jewish regulations on what is eaten either. Im not going to go any more in-depth on this because this is a debate thread, not a religion thread, but anyone who wants more information on what the Bible explicitly says regarding the law of moses can PM me for more of an explanation.

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Old 11-14-2008, 11:17 AM   #42 (permalink)
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What the hell is an 8-year-old doing with a gun in the first place? What was the boy's dad thinking? I'm almost HAPPY he's dead; maybe that'll teach people to stop giving children dangerous toys. Then again, some children never grow up; ask the boy's father... if you can. Maybe next time he'll give his son an axe to go chop firewood....

Am I the only person bothered by how loose the father is with his firearms? Seriously, he had nothing to gain by teaching his kid how to use a gun. He got what he deserved; it's too bad he had to drag his son down with him. If people were to learn something from this, however (especially our little marksman), then perhaps this isn't all ending poorly. As for the friend, he's a little harder to decide on. It seems clear that he was okay with the boy using guns; but if it was because he trusted the boy's dad who's versed in firearms himself, then did he (the friend) deserve to be shot? Off the top of my head, I'm not sure we'll know that one.

The boy doesn't need Juvinille Detention; he needs understanding. As far as I can tell, the only thing he knows what a gun is for is shooting things. He's unaware of the before or after thought(s)/result(s) of his actions. That's something you can't get from punishment; punishment comes as the result of the lesson... and that's why he shouldn't be sent to Juvinille Detention. If he goes there, he won't know what he did until he's out of there... perhaps during if he thinks about it. Why? Because education will set him free, not the Law; the Law only helps if the person had the power to prevent his/her own actions. In short, my twist on what Megaman FTW said.

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Old 11-14-2008, 11:57 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I agree with that as well. The way the child was raised to think about guns and killing should certainly be taken into question considering his father put a gun in his hands at the age of eight years old. I myself was actually nearly shot when I was young because a friend of mine who thought a gun wasn't loaded pointed at me and pulled the trigger. Missed my head by about three inches. Now, if I had been hit the situation would be largely the same as this one. Had it been a real gun and not a BB gun (but he couldn't tell the difference at the age of 7 years old) He would be blamed, and sentenced to something. However, as young as he was he was only capable of doing whatever he was raised to do. The fact that he had so little respect for how dangerous guns are that he would just pick one up and pull the trigger shows that his parents did little to make him see them as dangerous (and trust me, they didn't). The fact that my brother had left it loaded on the counter with the safety off doesn't help much. It was a BB gun, so even if he had hit me (assuming he didn't hit any vital spots) I would have probably been fine, but had the gun happened to be a .22 and his aim be a little less off, Megaman would not be here to shine on you all with his radiant awesomeness, so the principal and concept still apply in full.
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Old 11-14-2008, 02:09 PM   #44 (permalink)
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to those who think this child should be put to death : take a deep breath and think about what youre saying. you actually want to see them put an 8 year old child on death row. thats not only hilarious in its absurdity, but its also inhumane.

i wouldnt even put him in a mental hospital...i can understand putting a sociopath/psychopath in the mental ward, but an 8 year old kid? strapping an 8 year old kids limbs and head to a bed in a white room wont do anything but cause more mental instability.

to tell you the truth, i dunno what they should do with this kid. id make mandatory psychiatric meetings, counseling, and family relocation a BIG part of the solution, myself...
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What the hell is an 8-year-old doing with a gun in the first place?

wow another perosn to blame guns.

#1-i had my first gun (a 22 rifle) when i was 5 years old i never killed anyone, jsut a few squirell.

#2-its not the guns fault its bad parenting.
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To meatwad- There is a difference between a mental hospital and an insane asylum. We're not talking about padded walls, men in lab coats, and hourly doses of sleepy pills. We're talking about trained psychiatrists talking with the child over the course of a few sessions to make sure he isn't actually insane. While a child cannot be evil because a child cannot understand what evil really is, a child can, if raised under terrible and rare circumstances, become a morbid psychopath. They just need to make sure that isn't the case, and then send him on his merry way.

To Agravain- Guns are blamed for a lot of killing because that is what they're made for. Killing. In all reason, it is the poor judgement or the mistakes of the person that was using the gun that causes a murder, and thus the phrase "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". What makes this case different is that a gun is a tool for killing in some form or another and a eight year old child does not have the judgement to decide what does and does not need to be killed. No one is saying its the gun's fault the father was shot, they were saying it was the father's fault for having the poor judgement to give a child a gun. Put simply, guns are not for children. Ever. And when parents fail to understand that, tragic incidences like these are the only possible result.

EDIT: To clarify, Im not saying that every child who is near a gun will kill everyone they meet for the rest of their life 100% of the time. What I am saying is that guns have 3 uses. Hunting an animal, killing a person aggressively, or killing a person in self defence. A child has no business hunting in the woods by himself, obviously shouldn't be allowed to kill people, and lacks the will to kill a person in self defence if it becomes necessary (more likely a child would try to run if his life is in danger). This means that no matter what use a gun may have, a child under the age of about 14 (and this is an estimate, not a rule) has no business firing a gun for any of them.

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Last I checked, I did blame the parents. <_<
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