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Old 02-20-2011, 01:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Don't much care about it. Homosexuality,relativism,atheism all get blended into it. The fact that parasites like sharpton,and obama are apart of it is disturbing. A good old fashioned dictatorship would set things straight.

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Old 02-20-2011, 02:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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We should only need government to protect us from hostiles and keeping the peace. The government has no place paying or participating in medicine, school, construction, or anything that the people can do for themselves. There should be a term limit in every position (especially judges) and the UN should go screw themselves. That is all.
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We should only need government to protect us from hostiles and keeping the peace. The government has no place paying or participating in medicine, school, construction, or anything that the people can do for themselves. There should be a term limit in every position (especially judges) and the UN should go screw themselves. That is all.
I'm basically the opposite of this. Except I see the government as being "the people". So technically I think the people still are doing those things for themselves.

I do agree that there should be a term limit for every position.

I like the UN but I think humankind could do a lot better.
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Old 02-21-2011, 05:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The UN is an excuse for the US to spend money on problems that aren't ours. You guys want our troops home, I think we should bring the money home too.
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We should only need government to protect us from hostiles and keeping the peace. The government has no place paying or participating in medicine [unless we can no longer pay for it ourselves], school [unless we can no longer pay for it ourselves], construction [unless we can no longer pay for it ourselves], or anything that the people can do for themselves [unless they can't do it themselves]. There should be a term limit in every position (especially judges) and the UN should go screw themselves. That is all.
You forgot a bit. =)

And before you take this too harshly, yes, I am joking about you. I am not, however, joking about what I think.
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Old 02-21-2011, 06:14 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Nah man, it's cool. I know I've been a spastic little girl on here before.

The problem with socialism is that people in this world are incredibly lazy. If people (half the freaking world) can 'lose' $10,000 'somewhere', have a super expensive surgery, claim they have no money so the government pays for it, then buy themselves new TV's, they will. The same goes for education. If they government wanted to hand out a base scholarship to schools to pay for a part of it, that'd be great. But whatever the government does ends up being inefficient and/or a waist of money.
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Charity. I don't know the statistics, but Americans give more to charity than most other countries. People are supposed to pull together to help each other. :/ When government gets involved, people just start feeling entitled; then, they start to whine.
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Nah man, it's cool. I know I've been a spastic little girl on here before.

The problem with socialism is that people in this world are incredibly lazy. If people (half the freaking world) can 'lose' $10,000 'somewhere', have a super expensive surgery, claim they have no money so the government pays for it, then buy themselves new TV's, they will. The same goes for education. If they government wanted to hand out a base scholarship to schools to pay for a part of it, that'd be great. But whatever the government does ends up being inefficient and/or a waist of money.
Specifically I was speaking of socialized medicine. It works fairly well in other countries and there's literally no reason not to reform it here. I think of all things my tax dollars should be spent on, keeping me healthy is at the top of that list, and I don't really understand why there's such an aversion to letting the government do it (a play on loss of freedom of choice of doctors or "death panels" is clearly an irrationality, no need to bring it up). It's not like the medical technology and pharmaceutical industry hasn't already robbed us in that aspect anyway with absurdly inflated costs for drugs and medical equipment, which is what makes hospital bills so damn high.

From a purely scientific point of view socialized medicine has led to western Europe (among other "lesser" nations) overtaking the US in general health and lifespan scores in the past decade. It's been postulated that this is because operations and treatment are avoided because of their extreme cost.

A good movie to watch on the subject is Sicko, especially if you're into Michael Moore films. Judging by your background I'd say no. It depicts fairly clearly that what we're dealing with is not a minority of people having difficulties paying for their healthcare, but a huge portion of the lower and to some extent middle class population that can't afford treatments that we'd otherwise deem pretty common.

Those are my thought's on the issue. Feel free to question/comment/rebuke.
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I've never seen a Michael Moore film, so I couldn't tell you one way or the other.
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Specifically I was speaking of socialized medicine. It works fairly well in other countries and there's literally no reason not to reform it here. I think of all things my tax dollars should be spent on, keeping me healthy is at the top of that list, and I don't really understand why there's such an aversion to letting the government do it (a play on loss of freedom of choice of doctors or "death panels" is clearly an irrationality, no need to bring it up). It's not like the medical technology and pharmaceutical industry hasn't already robbed us in that aspect anyway with absurdly inflated costs for drugs and medical equipment, which is what makes hospital bills so damn high.

From a purely scientific point of view socialized medicine has led to western Europe (among other "lesser" nations) overtaking the US in general health and lifespan scores in the past decade. It's been postulated that this is because operations and treatment are avoided because of their extreme cost.

A good movie to watch on the subject is Sicko, especially if you're into Michael Moore films. Judging by your background I'd say no. It depicts fairly clearly that what we're dealing with is not a minority of people having difficulties paying for their healthcare, but a huge portion of the lower and to some extent middle class population that can't afford treatments that we'd otherwise deem pretty common.

Those are my thought's on the issue. Feel free to question/comment/rebuke.
A few quick view points that I have about this issue.

One healthcare in Europe is not working as well as some people would have you believe. The unsustainable cost of health care is one of the reasons why Europe is starting to move away from socialized health care.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/wo...25britain.html

Another thing is government never does anything better than the private sector from FEMA to Social Security. Almost every government program is broken. The only thing you could say is the military.
Sure we have problems with our health care, but there are other things we can do. I'm pretty sure that I posted several videos about a John Stossel special on several alternative solutions.
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